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\"Matvejevic<\/a>By Guido Vitale<\/strong> and Jelica Raseta*<\/strong><\/p>\n

In 2010, Pagine Ebraiche editor-in-chief Guido Vitale interviewed the great European author Predrag Matvejevic. He was born in Mostar (currently in Bosnia) in 1932, his father was Russian and his mother was Bosnian, and he himself became an Italian citizen later in life. Matvejevic passed away at the beginning of February, 2017.
\nThe following is a translation of the interview in Serbo-Croatian by Jelica Raseta.
\nThe text will be published in the Sarajevo Jewish newspaper \u201cJevrejski Glas\u201d (The Jewish Voice).
\n
\nUgasio se nedavno, u ti\u0161ini zagreba\u010dkog doma za stare i nemo\u0107ne, jedan od najjasnijih intelektualnih glasova evropske kulture. Podizao je Predrag Matvejevi\u0107 taj svoj glas mnogo puta, iskazuju\u0107i svoje protivljenje totalitarizmima i ponovnom ra\u0111anju ostra\u0161\u0107enih nacionalizama \u0161irom starog kontinenta.
\nUgasio se nedavno, u jednom vremenu koje sve manje na njega li\u010di, vremenu ru\u017enom i cini\u010dnom, u kom se podebljavaju granice nacija i nanovo prizivaju zidovi svih oblika i vrsta.
\n\u201cJevrejska kultura mo\u017ee sjediniti raspolu\u0107enu du\u0161u Evrope. I zalije\u010diti rane\u201d, zapisao je u razgovoru sa Matvejevi\u0107em Guido Vitale, urednik lista Pagine Ebraiche (Jevrejske stranice).
\nOdlu\u010dila sam da za \u010ditaoce Jevrejskog glasa prevedem \u010ditav tekst ovog razgovora koji je vo\u0111en za vrijeme Bejahada 2010. godine, nedugo nakon izlaska iz \u0161tampe Matvejevi\u0107eve knjige \u201dNa\u0161 kruh\u201d. <\/em>
\n
\nJelica Ra\u0161eta
\n<\/em><\/p>\n

Sve struje i tokovi velikog mora, te vodene kolijevke civilizacij\u0101 \u010diju je veli\u010dinu slavio u svom nezaboravnom Mediteranskom brevijaru, predaju se kopnu na svojoj najsjevernijoj ta\u010dci, u samom vrhu Kvarnerskog zaljeva. Stigao je iz Zagreba tu, u blizinu Rijeke, na opatijske obale, pisac simbol Nove Evrope, Predrag Matvejevi\u0107, kako bi razgovarao sa Jevrejima koji \u017eive na obalama istog mora. Susre\u0107em ga na pje\u0161a\u010dkoj stazi koja povezuje Lovran i Volosko. Ova 12 kilometara duga \u0161etnica, sa koje se pru\u017eaju pogledi na prekrasne okolne pejza\u017ee, ure\u0111ena je jo\u0161 za vrijeme posjete cara Franje Josipa, ne\u0161to malo prije nego \u0161to \u0107e zauvijek nestati austrougarsko carstvo, koje bija\u0161e zajedni\u010dki dom narodima srednje Evrope.
\nPred o\u010dima posljednjih, neupu\u0107enih kupa\u010da prepli\u0107u se i dodiruju granice mnogih zemalja. Odavde pa sve do Vladivostoka prostire se okean slavenskih naroda, odmah iza na\u0161ih le\u0111a po\u010dinju Italija i latinska Evropa, a pogled na sjever dodiruje horizont germanskih dr\u017eava. Bejahad je festival na kome se okupljaju jevrejske zajednice iz Hrvatske i Srbije, Bosne i Hercegovine i Makedonije, Austrije, Slovenije i Ma\u0111arske. Po prvi put ove godine festival je prigrlio jo\u0161 jednu nezamjenjivu komponentu svoga identiteta, onu italijansku, koju je prihvatio sa rado\u0161\u0107u i po\u0161tovanjem za njen veliki doprinos ukupnoj evropskoj kulturi. Predrag Matvejevi\u0107 ste\u017ee u ruci prvo izdanje svoje nove knjige koja jo\u0161 miri\u0161e \u0161tamparskom bojom. Kre\u010du\u0107i se maestralnom lako\u0107om kroz mnoge slavenske, latinske i germanske jezike kojima vlada bez ikakvog napora i ustru\u010davanja, pri\u010da nam jednu novu, veliku pri\u010du, pri\u010du o Kruhu.
\n
\nVa\u0161 Mediteranski brevijar nije samo rasko\u0161ni prikaz jedne nevjerovatne erudicije, on je postao univerzalna knjiga, prevedena i objavljena na svim kontinentima, knjiga koja je intimno dotakla i preplavila emocijama \u010ditaoce diljem svijeta. Claudio Magris opisao ju je sa par rije\u010di: \u201cJedna genijalna knjiga, nepredvidljiva, blistava\u201d. Koja je druga pri\u010da koju nam \u017eelite ispri\u010dati na stranicama Na\u0161eg kruha, knjige koju Garzanti izdaje po\u010detkom jeseni?<\/strong>
\n\u017delja da napi\u0161em jednu knjigu o kruhu rodila se jo\u0161 u doba moga djetinjstva. Blijedila bi i nanovo se vra\u0107ala. U prvim godinama zrelosti nekoliko sam puta po\u010dinjao da je pi\u0161em, ali bi me ne\u0161to uvijek prekidalo. Uzimao bih rukopis i potom ga odlagao na stranu. Nakon \u0161to sam napustio svoju zemlju, Jugoslaviju, koja se na\u0161la u ratu sama sa sobom, bio sam prisiljen baviti se drugim stvarima. Pisao sam knjige o razli\u010ditim temama, ali \u201cna\u0161 kruh\u201d nisam nikad zaboravio. Na kraju, rad i istra\u017eivanja vezana za ovu knjigu potrajali su dobrih dvadeset godina zahtjevaju\u0107i da se, prije svega, oslonim na svoja sje\u0107anja.<\/p>\n

Na kakva sje\u0107anja mislite?<\/strong>
\nBio je u toku svjestski rat, drugi po redu u stolje\u0107u koje smo ostavili iza nas. U djetinjstvu sam pro\u017eivio \u010detiri godine gladi. Moj je otac bio odveden u koncentracioni logor, samo zato \u0161to je poticao iz dr\u017eave sa kojom je zemlja u kojoj smo tada \u017eivjeli bila u ratu. Bio je pobjegao iz patnji postrevolucionarne Rusije, dobrih dvadeset godina prije nego \u0161to joj je Njema\u010dka objavila rat. Mobilisan od strane jedne Jugoslavije koja se tada raspadala po prvi put, bio je u zatvoru, zarobljen kao obi\u010dan vojnik. Najve\u0107i dio njegovih suboraca nisu pre\u017eivjeli. On se uspio spasiti. Kada sam ga ponovo vidio, jedva sam ga prepoznao. Ubrzo mi je, sa zanosom, ispri\u010dao kako je u zimi izme\u0111ju \u201842 i \u201843 godine dobio komad kruha od jednog Nijemca. I za vrijeme drugog svjetskog rata bilo je momenata humanosti. Veoma rijekih, ali ih je bilo.<\/p>\n

A poslije?<\/strong>
\n Iza rata, gradi\u0107em u koji smo bili izbjegli prolazili su zarobljeni njema\u010dki vojnici. I ponovno sjene gladi i o\u010daja. Otac me je bio poslao da odnesem komad kruha jednom njema\u010dkom vojniku, odvojiv\u0161i ga od na\u0161eg mizernog dnevnog sljedovanja. Ali, do odluke da trebam napisati ovu knjigu dogodilo se jo\u0161 mnogo toga. Nakon \u0161to sam pro\u010ditao svjedo\u010denje Prima Levija \u201cRubano il pane degli altri\u201d( Kradu tu\u0111i kruh), imao sam priliku da vidim Crno More i posjetim Odesu, grad u kom se rodio moj otac i iz kog je emigrirao 1920. godine. Tetka Natalija mi je otkrila da je Vladimir, brat moga oca, umro u gulagu prizivaju\u0107i kruh koji mu je bio uskra\u0107ivan. Na sli\u010dan na\u010din kao i jevrejski pjesnik Osip Mandelj\u0161tam, koji je ubijen u staljinisti\u010dkom logoru mole\u0107i za komad kruha. I ovo, kao i ranija Levijeva djela, svjedo\u010di o jednoj \u0161irokoj kulturi.<\/p>\n

Koje izvore ste koristili?<\/strong>
\nNajsveobuhvatnije djelo koje tretira ovu tematiku svakako je \u0160est hiljada godina kruha (Sechstausend Jahre Brot), koje je napisao jedan njema\u010dki Jevrej, Heinrich Eduard Jacob. Na kraju knjige on opisuje svoje iskustvo pre\u017eivjelog iz Buchenwalda gdje je dobijao kruh na\u010dinjen od mje\u0161avine krompira i drvene pilotine. Mo\u017eemo se zapitati: da li bi bio u stanju da napi\u0161e ovu knjigu da se nije hranio tim kruhom? Za vrijeme mojih sedamnaest godina provedenih izme\u0111u azila i egzila u Francuskoj i Italiji, bilo je mnogo onih koji su mi pomogli u istra\u017eivanjima. \u017delio bih ovdje pomenuti Amerikanca Stevena Kaplana i milanskog Jevreja Gabriela Mandela. Ne \u017eelim zaboraviti niti istori\u010dara Georgesa Dubya i Piera Camporesia, potom, moga prijatelja Roma, Rajka \u0110uri\u0107a, koji je izgubio dio svoje porodice za vrijeme holokausta i kasnije, za vrijeme ratova na Balkanu.<\/p>\n

Kruh je istorija, kultura, literatura\u2026 Na mnogim stranicama Va\u0161e knjige je tako\u0111er i ritual, religija. Po\u010dev\u0161i od jevrejske prakse blagoslova i posve\u0107ivanja transformacije hrane. Mo\u017ee li nam to poslu\u017eiti kao vodi\u010d i nauk za budu\u0107nost?<\/strong>
\nJevrejska kultura mo\u017ee ponovo sjediniti raspolu\u0107enu du\u0161u Europe. I zalije\u010diti rane. Na po\u010detku tre\u0107eg milenija ima jo\u0161 mnogo onih koji umiru od gladi. Klimatske promjene i zaga\u0111enje tjeraju nomade na\u0161eg vremena da poku\u0161avaju, ponekad o\u010dajno, da se presele na podru\u010dja koja nude vi\u0161e kruha. Na\u0161 je planet izlo\u017een devastiraju\u0107im promjenama. Nekontrolirano konzumiranje energetskih resursa prijeti nepovratnim posljedicama i uni\u0161tenjem. Dok sam pisao posljednje retke ove knjige \u010ditav je svijet bio obuhva\u0107en krizom koja ga je zapljusnula ne\u010duvenom brzinom, izlazu\u0107i ga neo\u010dekivanim opasnostima. Za nekoliko decenija \u010dovje\u010danstvo \u0107e dosti\u0107i cifru od osam milijardi. Po nekim procjenama i predvi\u0111anjima prakti\u010dno \u0107e \u010detvrtina stanovika zemlje ostati bez kruha. <\/p>\n

Erri De Luca zapo\u010dinje pogovor Va\u0161e knjige mitom o majci. U predgovoru Enzo Bianchi citira Qohelet (Propovjednik) : \u201cBaci kruh svoj u vode i na\u0107i \u0107e\u0161 ga poslije mnogo dana\u201d . Na stranicama knjige minijature iz sarajevske Hagade obasjavaju beskvasni kruh Pesaha. \u0160ta danas mogu u\u010diniti knji\u017eevnici i, uop\u0161te, ljudi dobre volje?<\/strong>
\nOni mogu samo izraziti svoju zabrinutost i uznemirenost. Antropolog Claude L\u00e9vi-Strauss je napisao \u201cSvijet je zapo\u010deo bez \u010dovjeka i bez njega se mo\u017ee i okon\u010dati ” . \u010covje\u010danstvo je ro\u0111eno bez kruha i mo\u017ee nestati kada ga vi\u0161e ne bude.<\/p>\n

*The interview is by Guido Vitale and was published in Pagine Ebraiche in October 2010. The translation is by Jelica Ra\u0161eta.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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